tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post115111569249545689..comments2024-03-15T10:20:34.198-07:00Comments on Rhosgobel: Radagast's home: Installing Ubuntu: A comparison of Ubuntu 6.06 and Windows XPRadagasthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-34309693865674676492010-05-13T12:08:55.987-07:002010-05-13T12:08:55.987-07:00Import notes: With 35 comments, this was my most-c...Import notes: With 35 comments, this was my most-commented post.Radagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-20366878388934297842010-05-13T12:08:29.097-07:002010-05-13T12:08:29.097-07:00Importing comments:
Marc
Great write-up!
This...Importing comments:<br /><br />Marc <br />Great write-up! <br /> <br />This article seems very fair and nothing short of grounded. Very fresh.<br />June 27, 2006, 2:53:55 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />mtc <br />"Additionally, users should not underestimate the potential difficulty of switching from Windows to Linux..." Using VMWare player, it is easy to run Linux along WinXP as shown here <br />http://www.marthomacentre.org.uk/ml/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=17<br />June 27, 2006, 2:47:22 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />madcap <br />Following is a screenshot of the UI issue I'm referring to. <br /> <br />http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/albums/ubu606r/install8.jpg<br />June 26, 2006, 4:42:23 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />madcap <br />Thanks for this article. Very cool!! However, I'd like to differ where u point that... <br /> <br />"Linux is typically considered to be an extremely difficult operating system to install. I believe Ubuntu challenges that perception." <br /> <br />Actually, a lot of the other GNU/Linux distros come as Live-cum-install CD in one. PCLinuxOS probably might be the easiest to install of all these. Tho Kanotix is not far behind. Ubuntu's installer on the other hand had major UI issues. Like my system has a lot of partitions, and thus in the partitions window dapper eventho listed all of em, it didnt have a scroll bar for me to go down and verify all the stuff. I don't get how could they miss a scroll bar, and let the UI stretch beyond the screen. Otherwise dapper is pretty decent.<br />June 26, 2006, 4:33:15 PM PDTRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-90193451272102176592010-05-13T12:08:15.211-07:002010-05-13T12:08:15.211-07:00Importing comments:
Zalzer
Just found this about...Importing comments:<br /><br />Zalzer <br />Just found this about moving C:Documents and Settings <br />www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/15987<br />June 27, 2006, 3:07:08 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Zalzer <br />You say that it takes 22 min to move your home directory, how can that be possible when the only thing you have to do is make a partion for /home when you partion your harddrive <br /> <br />When you talk about home in windows i guess that your talking about C:Documents and Settings <br />I don't know if it's true but I have heard that you can move it by making some change in the registry<br />June 27, 2006, 3:01:24 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Fuzenix <br />One thing to consider, I was a dual-booter myself but with current hardware and VMWare Desktop, you do not need to waste an entire hard drive on Windows XP anymore. <br /> <br />I run 100% Native Ubuntu 6.06 and VMware for linux and installed Windows XP Pro inside of that partition, completely negating the need for a seperate partition. It's as fast as native with current tweaks and some performance tuning of your linux setup ( prelink -amvR ) <br /> <br />Vmware is only $99 and worth every penny. I also run Solaris x86, 2 more copies of windows for different VPN clients and FreeBSD 6.0 all inside. I should also note, I am a completely impatient performance freak and I am impressed with this setup. <br /> <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware<br />June 27, 2006, 2:55:15 AM PDTRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-43267581804169315672010-05-13T12:08:00.786-07:002010-05-13T12:08:00.786-07:00Importing comments:
whatrucrazy
nice post.
aft...Importing comments:<br /><br />whatrucrazy <br />nice post. <br />after using windows for many years myself, and about a year ago switching to both ubuntu and xp, then solely ubuntu, i have done these installs numerable times on three different systems and found my experiences to be quite similar. i would agree with the statement that linux is not more difficult to configure, just different. after a few short tutorials those poeople i have turned onto ubuntu have no more troubles that any pc user wouldn't have. <br /> <br />rgarding multimedia codecs: this and gaming are the real issues in linux. for mp3 and dvd codecs in ubuntu automatix and bumps quickly and painlessly fix these issues (and more). as to gaming, well that's a bit more complicated, but there's wine (allows youi to run many windows programmes in linux) and cedega (dunno about VMware for games)... or keep your XP partition just for that. <br /> <br />but its not as hard as many say.<br />June 27, 2006, 4:11:59 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Radagast <br />Zalzer: Thanks for the link about moving documents and settings. Regarding the 22 minutes to move the home directory ... I'm slow? Actually, I'm just a casual home user who (up until recently) has used Windows nearly exclusively and only dabbled in Linux. <br /> <br />Alan: I agree that it is odd that XP didn't pick up the hardware (which, for sound and network, was just the default stuff Dell installed).<br />June 27, 2006, 3:53:33 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Alan Bourke <br />Table 2 presents an unfair picture of XP. What have "Minutes to first program-based ad" and "Minutes to first junk desktop items" got to do with installing the OS? McAfee and MS Money are not part of XP so their inclusion in that table is irrelevant. <br /> <br />Also, Open Office, The GIMP are *alternatives* to MS Office and Photoshop, not equivalents, otherwise everyone would be using the former instead. They are of course fantastic, free software applications in their own right. <br /> <br />You must have some weird hardware if XP didn't pick it up right and Ubuntu did. Try including wireless functionality and see how far you get with Ubuntu! <br /> <br />Note that I use Ubuntu, and I love Ubuntu, I'm not an MS evengelist.<br />June 27, 2006, 3:12:04 AM PDTRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-35666991136321266582010-05-13T12:07:47.813-07:002010-05-13T12:07:47.813-07:00Importing comments:
BlingBling, M Comp Eng
This ...Importing comments:<br /><br />BlingBling, M Comp Eng <br />This isn't even how XP gets deployed. Did you install XP then install SP2, then install all of the patches. 51 minutes is really high. I don't think I've even taken longer than 16 minutes with OS, patches, avg, OpenOffice, media codecs and winamp. <br /> <br />If you want to learn how to use XP properly you should be checking out www.msfn.org. <br /> <br />BTW, you're a liar about the Dell 4600, the drivers are native to WIndows 2000 and WIndows XP, as in they are built in. There's a reason it has the Windows XP symbol on it. In fact I've deployed about 2500 of them at DoD with Win2k and WinXP and never had a problem with sound or nic. <br /> <br />Personally I like ubuntu, it's a cute fuck around OS for a sunday afternoon. If I need something better than win 98 (which someplaces still run) I pop in the live CD, my USB key and roll with it. <br /> <br />Now you entire article is what is known as an Ad Hominum. It's not engineer level writing at all, the only lab work done here was you looking at a clock and what you wanted your result to be. Never once did you state any reason except you killed an afternoon. <br /> <br />Next time, if you want to bring a valid point across, you will need a couple things. <br /> <br />High level design - helps provide a road map. <br />Test cases - Tested three times. <br />Process Document - how did you install the product. <br />Detailed design - Why you choose the optinos in your installation. <br /> <br />Off to the side. Why would you use MS Money? Or Quicken? Why not just use OpenOffice Calc to plan your budget. Lots of good free templates out there. <br /> <br />Actually for that matter why are you using Office?<br />June 27, 2006, 6:18:14 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />tyme <br />I don't understand the need for this: <br /> <br />However, mounting the partition as /home itself would mean that I could only have one installations configuration files in that partition at once (somewhat defeating the purpose); by mounting it as /data I can have multiple home directories in that partition (e.g., /data/homedapper, /data/homedebian) without them affecting each other. <br /> <br />You can have more that one configuration file in /home, you just have to use different usernames. This is simpler than trying to tell the OS to look at a different directory for configuration files, or trying to link them (as you did). That is, IMHO, this is just more trouble than it's truly worth. Having a seperate /home partition is a good idea, but I'm not sure there's a real advantage to what you've done. <br /> <br />You'd probably be better off just having seperate /home partitions for each Linux distro install (which is what I do). But, that's just MHO - and I've only been a Linux user since 1999 .<br />June 27, 2006, 6:00:38 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Eric <br />Just this last weekend, I decided to install Ubuntu on my XP laptop. My biggest problem was figuring out how to increase my resolution. I have to say that the times indicated in the tables seem quite accurate considering what I just went through. My biggest satisfaction with Ubuntu over other/previous Linux distros is how easy it is to install software. Ubuntu finally got Linux over that hurdle. Say want you want about RPM's or Yum, I've never had it so easy.<br />June 27, 2006, 5:54:16 AM PDT – Like – ReplyRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-90748028250897443692010-05-13T12:07:32.599-07:002010-05-13T12:07:32.599-07:00Importing comments:
Radagast
Ashish - I think Ub...Importing comments:<br /><br />Radagast <br />Ashish - I think Ubuntu could be a great solution; worth at least trying. You might try Ubuntu's alternate 6.06 install CD, as that is designed to install on systems with less than 192MB of ram (it's available on Ubuntu's download page). You might also try xubuntu, which is based on Ubuntu, but uses a lighter (and faster) desktop environment (xfce).<br />June 28, 2006, 1:41:23 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Ashish C. <br />hmmm....you've got me thinking. I'm a cybercafe owner and have just tried a live cd for linux. It didn't contain an installer but was quite cool. I am considering running linux on one of my client pcs as a test. <br /> <br />I've ordered the cd from shipit and will be adding a bit more ram to the pc so that the live cd runs ok. (The one I ran was extremely slow) <br /> <br />Do you think Ubuntu will run on a Pc with Pentium III 500 Mhz, 128 MB of SD Ram (Will be ugrading), onboard sound and graphics , 20 GB HDD and of course dual boot with Win XP? <br /> <br />I'd love to join the free software train since the cost of Win XP is more than the cost of the PC's in my cafe!<br />June 28, 2006, 1:12:27 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Insin <br />I had to dual boot my new laptop with windows and Ubuntu 6.06 and the differences between the windows install and Ubuntu were huge. <br /> <br />To say the least, I didn't have to worry about drivers with Ubuntu. Everything worked pretty much right off the bat aside from a couple hicups that are only natural. <br /> <br />Windows, however, gave me tons of trouble. Especially with simple things such as audio. I am not impressed. <br /> <br />That is the power of open source. Continually updated and ready for anything. Ubuntu all the way. Laptop: Dell 6400 just so you know.<br />June 27, 2006, 8:29:06 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Chase Venters <br />Yeah, Ubuntu is great. My sister's laptop had Windows XP SP1 and flat out would not work with the integrated wireless adapter. I tried pulling down SP2; after Windows spent over a half hour doing some meaningless calculations to prepare for SP2, it told me that her copy of Windows wasn't genuine and I couldn't get the update. <br /> <br />I dug out a Ubuntu CD that was over a year old. Popped in the LiveCD and Ubuntu booted, automatically detecting all hardware, and jumping right onto our Wireless LAN! <br /> <br />When Linux hardware support works properly, it is about a trillion times better than Windows.<br />June 27, 2006, 1:29:25 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Michi <br />I accept that windows isn't the best SO, but these results can't be a good example of the difference between Win and Ubuntu, they are unfair and don't match with the ones I know. First of all, it's hard to believe that Win didn't recognize all the hardware and Ubuntu did. Of course, everything depends on many things, but try to install XP in my laptop and then try Ubuntu, you would be surprised and maybe a bit headhached after installing. <br />I like Ubuntu, but Win's installation was much easier and faster, and I haven't got popups nor junk mail in any of them. The real advantages of Ubuntu aren't shown in this page... <br />C U<br />June 27, 2006, 11:44:03 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />dude <br />Regarding UI scrollbars, this is an serious issue in KDE too, I think it lacks more consideration for those who still uses 800x600 or less... <br />Some applications deals with it, some dont... it sould be an must test on WM development...<br />June 27, 2006, 11:23:13 AM PDTRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-36101690124027707912010-05-13T12:07:15.724-07:002010-05-13T12:07:15.724-07:00Importing comments:
Tree
Just wanted to say this...Importing comments:<br /><br />Tree <br />Just wanted to say this is a great! I've really been thinking about switching to Ubuntu as my main OS. Of course for the time being I will still have to use XP for a couple things, and this has given me a very clear understanding of the process. Thank you!<br />July 8, 2006, 1:16:41 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />rajat gupta <br />man the compatibility issue of hardware in windows ( i have an old desktop) <br /> <br />has led me to evantually get rid of this scrap. <br /> <br />i m using XUBUNTU 6.06 which is working great<br />July 4, 2006, 11:45:08 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Mike <br />Nice artical, very well written. I am actually installing Ubuntu tomorrow, and this read removed some worrys I'd had <br />July 3, 2006, 1:18:50 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Brian Kendig <br />I am a fan of Ubuntu, but in the interest of fairness: you ding XP for the time it took to install MS Office and how quickly ads and junk icons appear, but you leave off some common tasks which Ubuntu doesn't handle as well. How long did it take you to install Flash on each operating system so you can watch videos on YouTube? How long before it could play your mp3 or wmv files? How long before you got it to work with an HP all-in-one's scanner or fax capabilities?<br />June 28, 2006, 3:39:49 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />kuriharu <br />It is true that Dells will install the OS without a working NIC or sound card, but this doesn't happen with other manufacturers as much. <br /> <br />Ubuntu also will install the wrong drivers for video if you have an ATI card and will occasionally require downloading a better driver. Similarly, wireless on any distro can be a nightmare whereas in Windows it can work quite well. I've spent days not hours getting wireless to work in Ubuntu whereas in XP it usually works in a matter of minutes. <br /> <br />Still, I use both Dapper and XP on the same laptop and like both a lot.<br />June 28, 2006, 8:57:58 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Jukey <br />There's a PC World article about moving your entire documents and settings folder to another partition. the steps are pretty easy. <br /> <br />Click here to see the article<br />June 28, 2006, 7:04:26 AM PDTRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-10063822578009683782010-05-13T12:06:56.548-07:002010-05-13T12:06:56.548-07:00Importing comments:
Nirvana
And Steve, it depend...Importing comments:<br /><br />Nirvana <br />And Steve, it depends on the system configuration, have you installed a kernel fit for your system?<br />September 9, 2006, 3:08:44 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Nirvana <br />You forgot to mention as a put-down on Ubuntu that you have no MP3/AVI/MPG/WMV/WMA support (not too sure on MPG, but pretty sure). Though EasyUbuntu/Automatix can set these up rather quick (depending on net connection/computer speed)<br />September 9, 2006, 3:07:45 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Steve <br />Watch these comparisons b/w Ubuntu and XP <br /> <br />http://youtube.com/watch?v=5VK3eiDK4RE <br />http://youtube.com/watch?v=CwQZcRyUSfI <br /> <br />Maybe installing windows took longer, but you'll see loading apps and booting is actually faster on XP<br />August 3, 2006, 3:15:12 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />libre fan <br />Nice article. <br /> <br />However, I don't really understand why you installed Photoshop and M$ Office suite while GIMP and OpenOffice.org have been in existence for some time and are fine libre software. I believe it's even easier to create brushes in the GIMP than in Photoshop, for instance. <br /> <br />Have lots of fun with Ubuntu!<br />July 16, 2006, 11:27:03 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />TLindy <br />LOL I would just like to say this is an excelant write up from the point of most home PC enthusiests... Not scientist as our frind blingbling must be... Most home users with a few year old dell would have XP CD w/ sp1 and have to download sp2.. most all Windows reinstalls (NOT OS upgrades) on most all PC's will need aditional drivers installed... Anyoen who has reinstalled windows thenselfs on a few year opld PC knows this... Most home users will not slipstream service packs or drivers as blingbling thinks everyone does (reference to www.msfn.org) Most windows user will stick with MS office... Publisher??? Most ppl will not write a spreadsheet to do their finacials on... I am an avid GNU/Linux / BSD user. I also run windows OS's... Both have their advantages and only the end user can decide... Most folks simply do not wish to try and learn a new OS when they know windows only enough to send email, surf, and chat... All things easily accomplished under almost any Linux install... Being in the computer industry and working with end users everyday I feel this is an excelant artical and represent maybe even a little more technical stuff then the general public (i.e. moving a home partition) Personal Experience??? Well my fav. PC is my IBM ThinkPad A22e... UNder windows I have to install a lot of drivers and they are hard to find... Any since it's an 800Mhz celeron w/ 256 Megs RAM XP runs like crap on it... Under Ubuntu? everything works out of the box. Even my D-Link DWL-G630 Wireless PCMCIA card. Oh and it runs very nice. <br /> <br />Thanks for the comparison. Most are so biased it's dumb to even read them... This is great!<br />July 12, 2006, 6:00:36 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Radagast <br />Johnathon: Sounds fine, as long as authorship is attributed and links are included. I'll respond via e-mail with more specifics.<br />July 12, 2006, 12:00:23 PM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Johnathon <br />Hello... I'm trying to find content for linux.co.uk, and found your blog. Would you mind if I pulled this (or/plus) other articles to use for our site? I'd link back to your blog/website/email address, of course. <br /> <br />Johnathon <br /> <br />(nice review btw :D)<br />July 12, 2006, 4:05:51 AM PDTRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6305030.post-71738421211001107682010-05-13T12:06:36.441-07:002010-05-13T12:06:36.441-07:00Importing comments:
libre fan
Nice comparison, a...Importing comments:<br /><br />libre fan <br />Nice comparison, and fair even though unscientific - so what? <br /> <br />But there's no reason why you shouldn't install libre (free) software on Windows since M$ hasn't yet decided to make its OS proprietary software exclusive. <br /> <br />I agree with the remark that your data partitions make things more complicated than necessary (without them you'd have gained another 20 mns on Windows . You can share a partition (not home) with all your Linux distros. <br /> <br />To answer Alan Bourke: <br />Also, Open Office, The GIMP are *alternatives* to MS Office and Photoshop, not equivalents, otherwise everyone would be using the former instead. They are of course fantastic, free software applications in their own right. <br /> <br />People could stop using (and pirating M$Office and Photoshop, GIMP is easier <br />and better in some areas (brushes, for instance) but a lot of people love getting something free when it's expensive and also they have become dependent on monopolies.<br />October 6, 2006, 1:41:55 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Radagast <br />A good place to go for help with Ubuntu is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/; folks there could probably help you with your problem.<br />September 26, 2006, 9:55:20 AM PDT – Like – Reply<br /><br />Darteo <br />Hi, <br /> <br />Sorry if this is a bother. I am excited about Ubuntu, but at this moment I am alone. I am also an American living in Rome Italy, so that isolates me even further. I am groping for some help. <br /> <br />I have two computers in my home set up as a network. They were both running windows xp pro. I used one to load Ubuntu 6.60. The install went well and when it was done, I was amazed to see that the two computers were still connected. I was still able to connect the new Ubuntu Computer to the internet via dial up modem through the windows XP computer. Then something happened. It all went away. I need to get that connection back. <br /> <br />I thought if I reinstalled Ubuntu it might connect the two again. It did not and now I have an extra copy of Ubuntu on the computer in a 3rd partition. Can someone help me get it off? <br /> <br />I am very, New to Ubuntu, and Linux. I am a normal end user. I would need detailed instructions how to connect the Ubuntu computer to the Win XP computer; I assume using the Networking software. Can someone help? Thank you. Darteo<br />September 26, 2006, 6:49:20 AM PDT – Like – ReplyRadagasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419540565463343922noreply@blogger.com